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Old 12-01-2004, 02:38 PM
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Our local ABC affiliate just ran a piece on this laundromat burglar that has been ripping off coin boxes for 2 years in San Antonio TX. Showed some CCTV of the guy looking sort of like a maintenance man, plugging in his drill and opening the coin boxes on some top loaders, and guys, I swear he did this in less time it takes to open it with a key.

I'm not lying. I saw it on the laundry security camera, and I was just stunned. I cannot believe how easy he made it look. The stores he hit are owned by a chain and they claim their losses are over 100K in 2 years. I don't know what kind of locks they were and could not tell what brand of washers they were either.

They went to the news stations to get this guy's picture on tv and their cameras had some really good pics of the culprit. They are also offering a reward to get this guy stopped.

The downside to this is that everyone got to see how easy it is to drill out a coinbox lock.

This could be bad for all of us.

David
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Old 12-01-2004, 09:18 PM
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Of course, any coin-box can be drilled... the important thing for us to know is: How LONG it takes to drill.

If we knew what type of coin box is stronger (either because of extra metal, or some other reason) , and therefore would take LONGER for someone to drill, THAT would be the impediment to the dimwit clowns who might take ABC news up on their "how-to" piece.
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Old 12-03-2004, 06:50 PM
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crap. These guys just end up in Florida.
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Old 01-02-2005, 01:39 AM
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crap. These guys just end up in Florida.

OR California! I wonder why?
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:12 AM
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This is an ongoing battle. And I don't have any answers. We can replace the boxes, but we can't really do much about making them better. We could spend millions trying to make a better box, but right now they cost around $25 to $30 a box and still the owners cry at the horrendous expense. If we were able to make something better, and those boxes cost twice as much, we could never sell them. If #*##*##*##*##*##*##*# did it, everyone would buy ESD and Greenwald cause they were cheaper. If one of them did it, we would be doing handsprings because we know that everyone would buy ours because they were cheaper.

Look at how many cars are ripped off each year. So now the upscale car manufacturers are putting in digital keying, Extra keys can cost $350 or mor each, that for ONE key!! The owners are really getting upset over the cost. You have to go to a dealer to get the key. A locksmith can't do most of them. Who is at fault? THe owner? The manufacturer for trying to make a more secure product? The dealer because he has to cover his cost for the expensive Hi tech keys?

I have touched on this elsewhere, but it still comes down to the operator/owner making sure his shop is secure. We can only do so much from our end. ANd if someone comes in with powertools, and big prybars, the most expensive locks in the world wont' stop them!!

As I was typing this I got a call. Someone took a prybar to his machines so he was looking for a better lock, I pointed out the if the lock had stood up better, they would have wrecked the whole machine with bar, and the damage would have been much greater.

You tell me, what can we do that is affordable, and acceptable, and that would stop an attack with tools like those above or the caller with the prybar?

Norman
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:43 PM
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One of my customers just drilled a hole in the top of the coin vault...behind the funnel/chute, and dropped an allen key through. It does require you to open the service door to remove the coin box, but that box ain't coming out with the allen key in place.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:35 AM
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You tell me, what can we do that is affordable, and acceptable, and that would stop an attack with tools like those above or the caller with the prybar?

Norman

I don't think there is much that you can do. I was a locksmith up until about a year ago and I can tell you that no matter what you do, if a criminal wants into something, they are going to find a way in. I have been a big believer in high security keys (restricted, hard to obtain copies) for a long time. This really makes it very difficult for someone to take your keys and copy them or whatever. That being said, give me a drill and possibly a few other tools and I will get into just about any lock you could make for a washer as could a well informed/educated crook or just one who can use half his brain.
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Old 04-12-2006, 02:57 PM
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Want an easy fix? Switch to a card system, and you'll sleep well.
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:29 PM
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Till they hit your value adding machine.....
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Old 05-09-2006, 03:10 PM
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My store is open 24/7 and fully attended. VTM's have alarm contacts and monitored by ADT. I trust no one. Opportunity for theft can create a thief.
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