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James Pham
04-02-2004, 03:25 PM
Mark and Ttles,
Do you rebuild the timer for W125 ? Or do you know if we can buy timer parts ?
I called 2 places advertised timer-rebuilt in The Journal, one charged $89, another charged $120 plus shipping while the brand new timer is about $179 ea.
I have 8 W125s -8 yrs old- and from last year until now 5 of them, one by one the timer failed. All give the same symptom: machine tries hardly but fails to reverse in wash and rinse cycle, washes one way then stays still the next. I replaced them all with new timers.
Now I have 5 old timers to play with. Curiously, I take one apart to see what is and how it works inside. There are 18 contactors with their 'lifters'. (Lifters (or pusher what you call it) engage to the wheel cam, when the cam runs it raises the lifters to make electrical contact). All are in good safe but 2 are very bad. Their 'lifter' legs are ground off more than 1/16" by wheel cam.so they don't lift high enough to make contact.( In fact the cam made a 1/16 deep slot on the lifter leg).
That is easy to understand. Because other lifters are only used one to4 times per machine cycle, but the lifters to make contacts for changing direction work a lot harder, how many times per cycle you figure out.
So if your W125s are 7-8 yrs old, there a chance your timers are going to have this symptom. My other 3 machines timers will fail very soon, I know.
I used lifters from 1 timer to fix the other 4 . All put back in machines and ran good. Now I have 4 back up ones.I would say I repair, not rebuild them. They might last for another 3-5 years.
The hard thing is to remove the circuit board. I bought a de-solder tool at Radio Shack for $9.79 and tried on the first one. The others I brought to a electronic shop for $7 ea to remove the PCB, and clean. After that it took 5 minutes to change 2 lifters.

MSKLAUNDRY.
04-02-2004, 04:26 PM
Yes you can have them rebuilt but I personally wouldn't. Jecon is one of the companies, I personally know the owner.

For the little difference in price I like the fact that I can sleep at night knowing that it is a new unit will most likely be OK when it is installed. It is not cost effective for me to use a rebuilt or used timer unless the owner insists on it. Since I warranty my work I can't afford to do the job twice. But since you are doing the labor perhaps it is worth it for you.

troy
04-03-2004, 02:29 PM
James, do you have the manual book package that came with the washer when bought new, for the W125?
I really want to have one of those package book. Can you spare one? I will send you the mailing cost.

TTLES
04-03-2004, 04:01 PM
We only use new timers. Two facts about anything rebuilt...
1- It is only as good as the rebuilder....2- Rebuilt, to day, means repaired. Years ago a rebuilt timer contained all new contacts, springs , cams, ect. The only part of the old timer that was used was the frame. Today the individual worn out component is replaced and the rest of the parts are left alone. Like Mark says, when you have to warranty what you do, You have to do it right !

James Pham
04-03-2004, 07:20 PM
Marc , Tlles.
Thanks for replying. You 're right, if I 'm a service man I would also use the new parts for my customers because I don't want them to call me back later for the same problem.
Troy, I only have one copy left and I 'm not the first owner of the mat. However, there are a couple web-sites that you can download the manuals that you want.
www.wascomat.com you must register to log in the technical- documents page. Hmmm .. notthing hurt to register
www.costlessparts.com you can download any brands, any types of machines manuals.
Both offer you Installation Guide, Operating & Maintenant Manual, Parts Manual..., but no Service Manual for Wascomat I think.
If you want the original Manuals from manufacture, you can get from your dealers if they stock them. Otherwise they can order for you.
Hope you will find what you want.

Jim
04-06-2004, 09:44 AM
JP...

I agree with MSK that it is probably not worth it for him because he warrents everything he does....

...but in my case I have 4 W-125's and have rebuilt 2 of the timers about 3 yrs ago...not a problem since.
Back then they wanted $175 for a new timer and the cost to rebuild them was approx. $25. you do the math...

James Pham
04-06-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Jim
JP...

I agree with MSK that it is probably not worth it for him because he warrents everything he does....

...but in my case I have 4 W-125's and have rebuilt 2 of the timers about 3 yrs ago...not a problem since.
Back then they wanted $175 for a new timer and the cost to rebuild them was approx. $25. you do the math...

Hi Jim,
I understand their point , and agree with them 100%. But for us, we do what we can to cut down the expenses as much a.p.
I have 5 failed timers ( 7-8 yrs old but look like new, it 's hard to throw them away ) and using parts from one to fix the other 4,
save alot $$$... No ugly about that.
The previous post is to share with other operators/owners who have or going to have the timers failed and give the same symptom as mine, they can fix theirs if they want.
I mentioned Marc and Ttles because they 've been great supporters here, they might know and help us in finding replacement parts for timers.

Jim
04-06-2004, 03:43 PM
JP...

I understand and agree with you 100%.