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Goff
08-28-2003, 11:53 PM
Can someone direct me to instructions on how to calculate gross sales from the amount of water usage? I know I have read it before, but just can't remember where.

Kitty
08-29-2003, 06:06 AM
Number of machines times the amount of gallons used per pound of machine times the gallon price of water will show you the amount of gallons used per one turn.

JBTcajun
08-29-2003, 08:19 AM
How do you figure % usage per group of equipment, IE tops, 20, 55. One day I might need to know this too.

Kitty
08-29-2003, 09:35 AM
Im not sure I understand your question?

ajay
08-29-2003, 09:54 AM
quick and rough method is 10% of gross is water. On a $4000 monthly gross $400 should be water - approximately. ALso, Gas and electric should be around 15% of gross. Total cost is around 25%(10% water + 15% electric/gas) of gross.

ajay
08-29-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by JBTcajun
How do you figure % usage per group of equipment, IE tops, 20, 55. One day I might need to know this too.

you'll just have to break it up according to the machines to figure this out and then apply kitty's suggestion.

I don't believe you're going to gain anything by breaking it up, but sum of the parts should equal the whole. Break them in fractions and you'll still get your answer. easier to do it excel.

your formula should look like =number of tops * gallons used * cost of gallon

then for 20 lb = number of 20lbs * gallons used * cost of gallon

Anonymous
08-29-2003, 10:28 AM
Sorry, there is no way water can run 10% of gross. I have one of the highest water rates and mine does not come anywhere near that. Now if you include sewer you might be in the realm of possibility.

srhaz
08-29-2003, 11:00 AM
Glad you said that Kirby.
10% has always been a 'rough' figure. But with all the new eficient machines out now, that number might be debateable.
For my two mats, sewer and water are 7% and 8% of gross (machine income only) not to mention a bathroom that the whole neiborhood uses.
That couple of percent could be a huge number when figuring out income on a mat.

mike
08-29-2003, 01:20 PM
I suspect water will not be usefully compared between different areas.

I suspect each state (or county) has it's own prices.

I'm in Canada (Quebec), and water & sewer is free. (for all intents and purposes, there is a price per thousand liters, but you are credited a certain amountbased on realestate value, so it works out free 99% of the time)
The only exception would be if the realestate value was less than your usage. In practical terms this never happens.

pete f
08-29-2003, 07:43 PM
@ or $ cent profit gallon incl dry if you have decent vend price. coin store only, I will sell this info you will not find it anywhere for any price.
some info is worth paying for. email me, I have a paypal acct.

Kitty
08-29-2003, 09:34 PM
Pete, I don't understand what you are saying? Having a dumb blonde moment......say again? :)

BWJR
08-30-2003, 05:42 PM
When you say 10% of gross is water are you using total gross of washer and dryer income?
Please explain?

pete f
08-30-2003, 07:39 PM
Kitty, I am willing to SELL the formula, not give it away..

Kitty
08-30-2003, 11:03 PM
I still don't understand? What is it you are selling?

Goff
08-31-2003, 12:08 PM
Below is the blurb on finding income of a store via water usage I was orginally looking for. Thought I would paste in here for anyone interested:

Count each washing machine in the store and note the price per wash (i.e.; 3 Wascomat W‑184 at $3.50 per wash; 6 Wascomat W‑124 at $2.25 per wash; 14 Wascomat W‑74 at $1.50 per wash)

Find the rough average price per wash (i.e.; take 3 x$ 3.50 + 6 x $2.25 + 14 x $1.50 = $45.00. Divide by the total number of washers (23). The result ($1.96) is the rough average price per wash.

Find out approximately how much water per wash each type of machine in the store uses (ask to see the machine manual, or call the distributor).

Find the rough average water use per wash by taking the calculations used to find the average price per wash and substituting gallons of water per wash for the various prices. (i.e.; 3 x 100 gallons + 6 x 60 gallons + 14 x 40 gallons =1220. Divide 1220 by 23= 53).

Calculate the estimated revenue per gallon of water used (i.e.; 196 cents divided by 53 gallons= rough average of 3.698 cents per gallon).

Review the water bills and calculate the number of gallons per month the operation uses (one cubic foot of water = 7.48 gallons).

Multiply the monthly water usage in gallons by the revenue per gallon. Unless service is being done in non‑coin machines, the resulting rough estimate of washing machine sales should be about two‑thirds of total coin sales per month.

Multiply the washing machine revenue by 150% to get the estimated total coin sales per month.

Divide the estimated total coin sales per month by 4.3 to get a rough estimate of total coin sales per week.

I refer to "rough" average because the use pattern of laundry machines is not necessarily consistent with the store layout. If, upon your visits to the store you identify equipment that is rarely (or very frequently) used, it is recommended that you adjust your calculations accordingly. In fact, all of the above calculations should be adjusted to tailor them to the operation you are analyzing. For example: my calculation assumes a ratio of washer revenue to dryer revenue of 2:1. My experience has proved that to be a fair approximation, but the ratio can vary. Ask questions and figure things out. There is no substitute for diligent analysis.



Be alert for water leaks. Choose a time when there is no washing machine activity and ascertain that water is not leaking through the machines (most machines sit idle with the dump‑valve open; therefore, any water leaking into the machine [due to a defective water‑valve] passes undetected through the machine and into the waste‑line).

A few words of caution:


Water bill analysis will give you only a maximum figure as to what a store is grossing; therefore, it should be used only as a screening device- and even then, with great caution (a constantly leaking toilet or willful running of the water by a devious seller can cause significant distortions). Contact the author for more important information on water bill analysis and for alternative techniques for verifying gross coin receipts.

pete f
08-31-2003, 05:51 PM
U2 had a great song,,, found what you where looking for.
Offer has expired.
did not find what I was looking for.

Goff, thanks for the post, I can calculate easier. x times water.
Not everything is free on the net.

I just want to make that point, do not expect everything for free.

Kitty
08-31-2003, 06:26 PM
I have definately missed something here.......